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ebeard

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Question About Download Link Under Player
« on: December 10, 2013, 08:01:14 am »
Hello, I just started using this plugin. I notice that when I click the "download" link under the player, it opens a new screen and just brings up a player and begins playing the podcast. I was expecting a "download" link to bring up a "save as" box. Am I missing a setting, or just misunderstanding?

Thanks     :D

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Re: Question About Download Link Under Player
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2013, 08:23:44 am »
This is a browser specific setting at the user level.   There is no way to force it to act a certain way on a users browser.  It is however they have it set to act with an .mp3 file on the local computer.

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Re: Question About Download Link Under Player
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2013, 09:50:32 am »
So far only the Chrome web browser supports the HTML5 tag to force download (already added to PowerPress). As time goes by, other browsers will support this as well. Until then, download link needs to be right-clicked and then the menu option "save as" needs to be clicked.

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Re: Question About Download Link Under Player
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2014, 05:59:05 am »
Wow, this is a really horrible situation - and not your fault. The sad fact is that, as ignorant as I may be, I'm considered quite computer savvy by most of the people that I know and it took me several hours of research to find out what was going on and find out how to actually download a file from a link that says "Download." From among the general public that I'm trying to draw to the podcast websites that I assist with, the majority who try to download the file will get a player window instead and decide that something is broken and just give up.

Perhaps there should be an option to have PowerPress display a message below the download link informing people that they may need to right click the download link and select "Save Link As" in order to download the file. Chrome actually downloads the file on most of the sites that I tried, but still opens a player on some. What a mess.

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Re: Question About Download Link Under Player
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2014, 09:28:57 am »
This has been a problem since the browsers started handling the default computer action for the content type, which dates back to before 2000. We are happy to see the HTML5 standard for this, it works for 3 of the 5 browsers now support this HTML5 attribute (ref: http://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_a_download.asp). The alternatives (which I explain in the forums many times on this vary topic since it is asked often) are half baked or cause the downloads to no longer work for devices with security in place.

You can create your own theme to handle the download link to provide such functionality to explain how to save the download locally. That is very complex, not something we can simply add to the plugin that needs to guarantee works with all themes and plugin scenarios.

Another idea is to remove the download link all together, it's an option in PowerPress Settings > Appearance.

Here are some past threads where I answer this very question. I'm not pulling your chain or passing the buck. If there was an elegant solution to this problem I would have done it.

http://forum.blubrry.com/index.php?topic=4811.0

http://forum.blubrry.com/index.php?topic=3123.0

http://forum.blubrry.com/index.php?topic=623.0

http://forum.blubrry.com/index.php?topic=3041.0

http://forum.blubrry.com/index.php?topic=3040.0

http://forum.blubrry.com/index.php?topic=2620.0

http://forum.blubrry.com/index.php?topic=1718.0

http://forum.blubrry.com/index.php?topic=1694.0

Note this last one, I give he example of setting the content type as a solution. DO NOT DO THIS, the media will then not be downloadable by iTunes and mobile devices (iphone and Android) because they only allow media content types to be downloaded, others are blocked for security purposes.

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Re: Question About Download Link Under Player
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2014, 09:37:05 am »
I suspect http://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_a_download.asp) is out of date by the way, the download attribute appears to work in IE10, and it also worked for my copy of Safari (5.1.7) as well. I am pretty pleased with the browser adoption of this HTML5 feature.

For older browsers, yes this sucks, and as I've pointed out it's been an issue for years, but it looks like as the years roll forward this will not be a problem.

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Re: Question About Download Link Under Player
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2014, 09:46:29 am »
I take that back on both IE and Safari.

Safari only prompts if you do not install Quicktime.

IE only prompts if you have security software on your computer to protect IE.

Neither appear to use the HTML5 download attribute as of March, 2014.

Here is a better source who is tracking HTML5 compatibility: http://caniuse.com/download

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Re: Question About Download Link Under Player
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2014, 03:47:30 am »
Wow, it's a regular worm-wrestle. A dozen different browsers trying to use both old and new versions of html and some implementing the needed attribute and some not and.... In such an imperfect world, it looks like about the best I can do is to add some downloading instructions in the sidebar of the website.

Thanks Angelo and thanks Blubrry for the PowerPress plugin without which people like me wouldn't manage to be in the podcasting business.

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Re: Question About Download Link Under Player
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2014, 09:42:06 pm »
Angelo - It's been 6 months since we communicated on this topic, but like a bad penny, I keep showing up. This isn't a complaint or a problem necessarily, but more of an FYI.

You mentioned above in this threat that HTML5 implementation in browsers should allow PowerPress to start forcing browsers to download mp3 files when people click on the "Download" button and that this is already implemented in Chrome. However, as of today, the download link at one of the sites that I admin (http://www.cynthiadavis.net) fails on IE and FF, but works on Chrome and Opera while another site that I admin (http://www.castlereport.us) fails on all four browsers (it worked in Opera up through last Friday). The sites are both WordPress using PowerPress and everything is updated. They are on different hosting services so maybe that is a factor? The browsers are all up to date.

According to http://caniuse.com/#feat=download which you provided a link to, FF, Chrome and Opera are all using HTML5 and so they should be accepting the forced download command... I think? Nevertheless, FF doesn't work with either site while Chrome and Opera work with one, but not with the other. Just wondering if we're missing something when HTML5 compliant browsers work with PowerPress on one site, but not on the other and FF not at all.

Seems that those who control the internet just have it in for us antiquated types who insist on using computers and downloading files instead of living in cloud enabled devices like normal people.

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Re: Question About Download Link Under Player
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2014, 11:00:01 am »
Download links fail in IE still. but the good news is they are considering adding the HTML5 spec to the next release of IE. (ref near the top of this page http://status.modern.ie/adownloadattribute)

http://www.cynthiadavis.net has something running JavaScript wise that is modifying the link experience. Maybe Google Analytics? Disable plugins one by one until the download  behavior returns, then you'll know what's causing it.


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Re: Question About Download Link Under Player
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2014, 02:08:40 am »
Angelo - You were right about the plugin idea. The download link now works for both sites in both Opera and Chrome and I realize that I did some plugin updating over the weekend, so I expect that was the issue.

However, the download link still does not work on Firefox for either site. For an experiment, I disabled "ALL" plugins on one of the sites (except PowerPress), then cleared the cache in Firefox, but the download link still opened a player. I then went in to the Firefox options and under "Applications" I set mp3's to "Save File" but the download link still opens a player. Then I remembered that I ran into this a few years ago and found that the only way to get Firefox to download a mp3 file is to go into some special hidden settings, I don't remember the details, but it's kind of the Firefox equivalent of regedit. Okay, I just looked it up and it's "about:config" typed into the address bar. I found a few different posts about it suggesting different settings that need to be set to "false" instead of "true," but the download link still opens a player after trying several different suggested settings. If that's what's going on, then it's a Firefox issue and the average user just isn't ever going to get download links to work in Firefox.

Sure will be nice if IE decides to join the modern world and start using HTML5.

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Re: Question About Download Link Under Player
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2014, 07:20:31 am »
But it works with my Firefox on two different machines.

It is not just settings that could be the problem, addons like flash could also override the default behavior. Try launching Firefox in safe mode.

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Re: Question About Download Link Under Player
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2014, 07:23:25 am »
Also what ever the plugin was doing it was setting the target to blank, which may also be why it opens a new tab then playa in the browser rather than asks to save as.

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Re: Question About Download Link Under Player
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2014, 05:51:43 am »
Angelo - I trust your expertise and therefore choose to believe you rather than my own experience... really!

I did try turning off all Firefox plugins, but still no go for the download link. Then I uninstalled FF, ran CCleaner, deleted the profile folder, then reinstalled, but it still opens the player window instead. I even went back in and set the applications handling to "Always Ask" for mp3 files. I'm not even using FF, except for testing, so it doesn't matter for my sake. For those who are using it, they can figure out for themselves whether their particular install of FF is downloading or not and why.

Thanks for your patience with us PowerPress users and your persistence in dealing with the ever changing world of computers and Internet standards.

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Re: Question About Download Link Under Player
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2014, 07:15:00 am »
I meant your wordpress plugins not Firefox plugins.

Also there is a difference between Firefox addons (apps you add) and plugins (like acrobat reader). Opening Firefox in safe mode excludes both.

Something on your website is making the download links open in a new window, PowerPress is not doing that. That is target = _blank HTML.