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brado77

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Stats and medial files and URLs are whacked
« on: January 18, 2012, 03:02:18 am »
I first set up my account on Jan 2 on a podcast with one episode. I then discovered that there was a problem with the media file, and so removed that podcast, and replaced that podcast with a new episode on Jan 3. In my stats, I have 3 very strange things:

  • The Jan 2 episode (which doesn't exist) has statistics that continue to accumulate.
  • The Jan 3 episode has statistics that are not accumulating, even though that's the right podcast date / episode.
  • Both podcast' media files URLs are inaccurate and result in 404 errors.

I have found no way to change the episodes' media file URLs. But this is strange. I need to get the right URL for the media files and I need to get the stats accumulating on the right episode. I'd like to get the Jan 2 episode removed entirely, as it doesn't exist.

Help!

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Re: Stats and medial files and URLs are whacked
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2012, 04:47:19 pm »
Sign into blubrry.com and go to Manage account > Content > Posts / Episodes and delete the episodes in the list that are inaccurate.  They may still show in the stats. 

Make sure the feed we are pulling (your podcast feed) has the correct URL to the media and that the redirect URL is still there.

Hope that helps

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Re: Stats and medial files and URLs are whacked
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2012, 05:37:46 pm »
Mike,

Thanks for the reply. That's just the crazy thing -- the podcast which is accumulating all of the stats does not exist in the Posts / Episodes -- and the one that DOES exist isn't accumulating any stats. My podcast is called "Runtime" -- you work for Blubrry and/or have contact with them, can you or someone else take a look? I've been through all the management console functions and I see know way to fix this OR the URLs showing which both are wrong.

Thanks,

Brad

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Re: Stats and medial files and URLs are whacked
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2012, 12:35:10 pm »
Yes,

I do work for blubrry.  I looked and the file that is linked (Runtime-Trailer.mp3) downloads but will not play. 

Can you email me mike [at] rawvoice.com so i can get some more details to troubleshoot this for you?   


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Re: Stats and medial files and URLs are whacked
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2012, 03:51:55 pm »
Hey Mike,

Hit you on email a few times. I have another podcast episode I need to post and I don't want to muddy the waters further by doing so....not sure what to do. Should I delete my podcast entirely off of Blubrry? I don't really want to lose my stats off this first episode.

Help!

Thanks,

Brad

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Re: Stats and medial files and URLs are whacked
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2012, 11:57:47 am »
Brad,

Your email must have got lost in my crazy inbox. 

Go ahead and post the next one.  It can't hurt anything... I will look for your email... :(

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Re: Stats and medial files and URLs are whacked
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2012, 01:02:35 pm »
Mike,

Just resent the email and attached screen shots. Thanks for the help!

Brad

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Re: Stats and medial files and URLs are whacked
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2012, 02:25:42 pm »
In the future you shouldn't have any issues as long as you don't rename the media files.

Below are details:

The episodes in question refer to 404 pages. I cannot confirm about the first one as ever being valid, but it appears the second url was valid at one time. The first one has 1 download total, the second has 47 total. The 47 total has referrer information at the bottom of the statistics page indicating that the traffic came from specific blog pages on your site and 1 case, from your feed. This is an indication to me that at one time the second URL was in your web site and feed, perhaps only for a day or two then it was changed.

1st url: http://www.bighillsoftware.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Runtime-Trailer-V3.mp3
2nd url: http://www.bighillsoftware.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Runtime-Trailer.mp3

Blubrry Statistics key from your media file name (e.g. Runtime-Trailer.mp3), so if you change the file name, new record of statistics will be stored in the system. It appears that you re-named both episodes in the Statistics system, but what you renamed was just a label for those episodes. The label is for your convince. Some of our clients relabel their media to something more readable, such as "Episode 1". I've renamed them back so you know which is which. It does not change the actual URL used for counting that media file. This is just how statistics work, works the same way with web pages and Google Analytics, if you rename a web page the new name for the web page will have new statistics data.

I can assume that you changed the URL for your episode from http://www.bighillsoftware.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Runtime-Trailer.mp3 to http://runtime.bighillsoftware.com/episodes/20120103-000-Runtime-Trailer.mp3. This is fine, you can do this, but it means that there will be traffic pointing to the old URL for time to come. When you created your podcast episode, applications and podcast directories immediately got the original value you had for the media URL immediately after you made it public/published. If you go back and change it later, it does not guarantee that serves like iTunes or blubrry.com will pickup the new media URL instantly, leaving a legacy of download attempts to the old URL.

More problematic is if you change the URL after you released your episode, you loose statistics data. This is true, because most podcast downloads occur within the first week (sometimes even the first day) of its release. So if you changed this 3 days after you released the episode, you may not have had anyone download the changed episode url, all the while (see last paragraph) you have folks on places like iTunes trying to download the old URL.

Blubrry statistic do not display episodes until there have been 5 different downloads. The 1st episode reporting 1 download is bizarre to me at first, until i researched the database and found that all that traffic came from one IP address. Hence why it was only counted once, but the 4+ other downloads made is flag as a valid file.

As far as episode 2, I don't see it in your feed (http://www.bighillsoftware.com/category/runtime/feed/). Also, Episode 1 has a release date of February 2nd, 11:32 AM (TODAY), so any stats data for that just started getting gathered and will not appear in your statistics for at least 3-6 hours. It will not appear until 5 or more unique downloads occur.

I couldn't find your podcast on iTunes, did you submit it yet? You will get a lot more downloads if your listed on the podcast directories like iTunes.

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Re: Stats and medial files and URLs are whacked
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2012, 02:42:36 pm »
To remove episodes you do not want to appear in your statistics, go to the "overall" view and click the orange X in the episode's row. It will confirm that you want to remove that episode from your statistics reporting.

Undesired episode stats can occur, sometimes over zealous audience member will try to guess your future episode, sometimes it's caused by a poorly written web crawler/spider hitting your site. The remove option above is there to solve such issue.

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Re: Stats and medial files and URLs are whacked
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2012, 05:44:24 pm »
Angelo,

A few things -- first, the new episodes today were indeed part of changes made this morning, so it might have been a bit simpler to discuss the examples prior to today. However, I hope I can clarify on a few points:

1. The podcast is on iTunes called "Runtime", same as on Blubrry. It has been on iTunes since the beginning of January and is still there now. Just search on "Runtime" -- it's there. Note that iTunes cache hasn't yet updated, so even though the underlying feed is right, the episodes aren't yet showing on the iTunes web pages. You can, however, subscribe to the podcast and download the episodes correctly. So haven't some familiarity with the workings of iTunes myself, that I believe is just a function of the iTunes Store cache that hasn't updated yet, but when you subscribe, you are actually working off of the live RSS feed. Here's the URL to the podcast on iTunes:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/runtime/id492667668

2. From your post below, the 2nd URL was the actually the first submission, then it was changed to the 1st URL (this was just moving the same episode to a different URL). That should be apparent by the dates shown in the URL path. But here is where it gets really weird. The 2nd URL was actually changed to a 3rd URL, as follows:

http://www.bighillsoftware.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Runtime-Trailer.mp3

In addition, BOTH of the previous URLs, URL 1 and URL 2 from your email, were deleted entirely from our web site, feed, and iTunes. Neither the URLs nor the files themselves can be accessed on the web site or in our RSS feed -- they simply do not exist anymore. And even beyond this, I went into the "current posts / episodes" view and deleted the original episode:

2nd url: http://www.bighillsoftware.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Runtime-Trailer.mp3

However -- and here's the rub -- this deleted episode above, for which no URL existed, nor which was valid on iTunes, on our web site, nor in our RSS feed, showed in the Blubrry media statistics view, AND continued to accumulate stats over the entire month of January. Based on what you've told me, this should be impossible -- this didn't exist, not on iTunes, not on our web site, not in our RSS feed, nor on Blubrry's list of episodes for our podcast. Yet there it continued to show in statistics (and still continues to show -- in fact, both Runtime-Trailer-V3.mp3 and Runtime-Trailer.mp3 still show in my stats, even though neither one show as podcast episodes. And additionally, the URL which existed for nearly the whole month of January, which was the only thing in the RSS feed, on our web site, and on iTunes which anyone could actually download:

http://www.bighillsoftware.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Runtime-Trailer.mp3

it never appeared. Now today, we had to submit a new episode, and due to some other constraints we had to change the hosting of both episodes under the hood, so there's now 2 episodes showing in the podcast episodes. But neither of those show in stats, and as already stated, the only thing that shows in stats are episodes which don't exist on our end, or in the Blubrry podcasts/episodes view.

3. As for caching with URL changes -- I understand the issue of caching and refreshing feeds. iTunes usually takes a few hours to a day. The changes we made this morning are already live now on the feed served by iTunes, but the iTunes web pages haven't updated yet. However, URL changes NEVER updated on Blubrry over the course of the entire month of January. The third URL should have shown, never did. The first one should have dropped off entirely, and the second one I would have expected would have eventually changed.

Anyway, I hope that clarifies things. I do appreciate your explanation and I am following your explanation, but I do believe that something is amiss here. Any more light you can shed would be welcome.

Brad

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Re: Stats and medial files and URLs are whacked
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2012, 06:17:12 pm »
Angelo,

One quick note....now I see what you are referring to in the "overall" view. It appears that stats are kept after podcast episodes are deleted, so that clears that up. I still think there's something up with the URLs, but now what I've seen here makes me think that this craziness may be isolated to that first episode, and the rest will work out fine. If you concur, just let me know, and I can sleep again at night.....

:-)

Thanks,

Brad

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Re: Stats and medial files and URLs are whacked
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2012, 09:54:04 am »
I agree with the first episode situation, I think as long as you stick with a file naming format future episodes will not have this problem.